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Are you in favor of Euthanasia for those people who suffer so much from their illnesses?
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I do not agree with the principle of Euthanasia or mercy killing. Are they trying to imply that God does not have mercy on those people; and that they would rather be the one to apply mercy? That, of course, is unbiblical! That is a way of humiliating God! If someone is still alive, it is because it is not yet their time. It is only God who has the right to take someone's life, as what is written in Deuteronomy 32:39 —

“See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.”

It is possible that the reason why God is not yet taking someone's life is because He is teaching that person a lesson or two — to probably repent and be righteous. I do not call it mercy killing because that is plain murder! God said, "Thou shall not kill."

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Ichisanno (Michi) Tue Mar 11, 08 07:29 AM

interesting.

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niwadaisuke (Niwa) Tue Mar 11, 08 08:43 AM

Thanks..

niwadaisuke
monti_84 Tue Mar 11, 08 10:13 AM

You′re narrow minded! If there′s a God, i doubt that he/she is the one who decides when one is born and one′s time to die...if that is true, that god of yours is the baddest being in the universe...look at the ways in which people die in the world...hunger, wars, deseases and lots of horrible things, and don′t tell me that god decides the time and not the way of dying, because that makes no logic (although religion believes in general do not have logic anyway)...now, i myself have seem people dying of horrible deseases that takes them away painfully and slowly, being that the suffering of the patient and of his/her family...if a patient is in this kind of suffering and he/she has a right mental state to decide the time of his/her dead, i would help him/her gladly...it is not mercy, it is basic moral values of love for others...sadly this is not allow by the law in my country becuase of narrow minded, blind sighted religious persons...

"To define is to limit" Oscar Wilde
niwadaisuke (Niwa) Tue Mar 11, 08 01:06 PM

Then it is ok for you to kill someone who is suffering so badly.. Are you more merciful than God? For you to decide whether to end his/her life.

He allows nobody to take life! A murderer, He condemns.

(1 John 3:15) “Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.”

He does not allow anybody to take life from another being, regardless of the intent or the excuse, anybody may assert. Even mercy killing or euthanasia is not an excuse.

God is most merciful.

(Psalms 103:8) “The LORD is merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and plenteous in mercy.”

niwadaisuke
niwadaisuke (Niwa) Tue Mar 11, 08 01:09 PM

To say that anybody is killing anybody because it is an act of mercy, is tantamount to claiming that you are more merciful than God — and it is foolish.

God deals with people not only in this life, but through the hereafter, and no human perception can see what God has in store for anybody. He may let somebody in this life suffer a little but, there is reserved for him: Happiness in that which is to come

(1 Corinthians 2:9) “But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.”

(Revelation 21:4) “And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.”

>>if a patient is in this kind of suffering and he/she has a right mental state to decide the time of his/her dead, i would help him/her gladly...it is not mercy, it is basic moral values of love for others...

What is the morality of killing someone?

niwadaisuke
niwadaisuke (Niwa) Tue Mar 11, 08 01:11 PM

>> You′re narrow minded! If there′s a God, i doubt that he/she is the one who decides when one is born and one′s time to die...

Ans:

You might say, “So what if there is a God?” . I am trying to convince you to believe that we came into existence because of a loving God who is always waiting for us to acknowledge him. There are fools, who do not believe in God.

(Psalms 53:1) “The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.”

No amount of intelligence and knowledge that an atheist may posses can make him a good and better person, than to acknowledge the existence of God who created him and his neighbors.

The best men in the whole history of humanity (men with human considerations, pity, justice, loving-kindness, moral aptitude and great leaders) all believe in God.

Belief in God will make you a better person, more caring and more considerate to others — and that is the element of a more peaceful society of humans. Unbelief will not make you good, but 100% evil.

(Romans 3:10-18) “As it is written, there is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Their throat is an open sepulcher; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways: And the way of peace have they not known: There is no fear of God before their eyes.”

niwadaisuke
niwadaisuke (Niwa) Tue Mar 11, 08 01:13 PM

>>if that is true, that god of yours is the baddest being in the universe

Ans:

Matthew 12:30"He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters.

Matthew 12:31And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.

Matthew 12:32Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

niwadaisuke
niwadaisuke (Niwa) Tue Mar 11, 08 01:14 PM

I do not expect all people to be delighted in their visit to my world… my weblog; but everybody is welcome — even the most bitter of my detractors. I pray that my God may enlighten you to understand the world where I live in (Philippians 3:20)

“For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ…”.

niwadaisuke
XSTREM Tue Mar 11, 08 02:41 PM

You say: "He may let somebody in this life suffer a little but, there is reserved for him: Happiness in that which is to come"

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Suffer a little? A little you say? No, many are suffering A LOT and they'll die eventually of their sufferings. A slow death, a hard death - a death that will suck the life out of the human being slowly but surely, and the human being will DIE unhappy and in suffering! (An example of that illness could be ALS: Read about amyotrophic lateral sclerosis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amyotrophic_lateral_sclerosis )

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Then you want to die, because you know that you'll die eventually, and can not bear the thought of a death, where you'll slowly die by "natural causes" which is extremely painful. You'll simply not be able to move, talk or do anything. You'll just die when the sclerosis has attacked the areas of your brain, which controls the vital functions. It is torture. What is better then? You die fast and without pains, or you'll die a hard and miserable death?

Of course, to die a fast and easy death is what everyone would choose - but then you get told that it is not legal, and that God does not permit such actions as euthanasia.

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Whose life is it anyway? Is it the life of GOD? Or is it YOUR life?

If you want to die - then hell be with it! Then you should be allowed to die, even though you do not have the nerves to kill yourself. Then somebody needs to help you with your death - it's your decision, we're not robots - we're human beings that can take individual decisions. If you have a sickness where you'll die, then of course you should be granted that possibility to die a "happy" death.

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niwadaisuke (Niwa) Wed Mar 12, 08 06:11 AM

What happens to the unbeliever who submits to euthanasia? Does euthanasia remove death from God’s authority to decide the issue? The Bible teaches that God is in control of life and death (Gen 1:26-27; 2:7; Rom. 4:17; Job 33:4).

Also, pain, suffering, and death are a natural part of life (Gen. 3:14-19; Rom 5:12, 1 Cor. 15:26). It is thus part of God’s permissive will. As such, one must ask, is there ever any value to anyone for human suffering within the plan of God? Some may say that voluntary or involuntary euthanasia really demonstrates a lack of faith in God.

For the Christian life is God's gift and its end is to be determined by Him. "There is no God besides me, I put to death and I bring to life" (Deuteronomy 32:39) . God is sovereign over life and death: we have no jurisdiction in this area , therefore we have no mandate to end lives.

God's dominion includes all of life, which means that suffering is a part of God's providence. Therefore, suffering that cannot be relieved by modern medical means is to be accepted as from the hand of a loving God who knows what He is doing, even when we do not understand. "Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as sons" (Hebrews 12:7). The purpose of suffering for the Christian is sanctification or "to be conformed to the likeness of His Son" (Romans 8:29) and "it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace" for those trained by it (Hebrews 12:10)."For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all" (2 Corinthians 4:17). In other words, although we are all made in God's image, we are each to a greater or lesser degree like Him, and God is carrying to completion this great work that He has begun in all believers (Phil. 1:6).

Death is part of life. As Ecclesiastes 3:2 tells us, there is a time to be born and a time to die.

niwadaisuke
niwadaisuke (Niwa) Wed Mar 12, 08 07:09 AM

>>Whose life is it anyway? Is it the life of GOD? Or is it YOUR life?

Ans:oh.. sorry. i do not believe my life is my own..

Jeremiah 10:23 I know, O LORD, that a man's life is not his own;

it is not for man to direct his steps.

it is forbidden to compassionately help terminate someone's life for the purpose of ending that person's suffering, because life is a "gift of God."

>>If you want to die - then hell be with it!

Ans:(Rev 9:6)

And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death

shall flee from them.? .

niwadaisuke
XSTREM Tue Mar 11, 08 02:42 PM

If a person is getting one of these illnesses such as cancer, or the before mentioned ALS - then what did the person do to get this illness? God is in control of everything, right? I'd then say that he's one mean person, if human beings have to "learn" by his "decision" and let humans die by torture. It's simply pointless. ¨

In this example, I do not believe in what the Bible say. Maybe it says that God is in control of who should live or die - but the living person should have the opportunity to die with help from another person - without it's called a murder.

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You say: "Belief in God will make you a better person, more caring and more considerate to others — and that is the element of a more peaceful society of humans. Unbelief will not make you good, but 100% evil."

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Maybe - but that depends on what God you believe in. If you believe in a peaceful and tolerant religion such as "Hinduism", then yes - you'll be a better person.

But do not forget all that bloodshed that has flown because of Christianity, heathens and Islam. They all believe in a God - but not the same God. In the Korean (The Bible of Islam), it's said that all non-believers should be annihilated - and if the sons of Allah kill many of these non-believers, they'll go to heaven. And they do this!

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niwadaisuke (Niwa) Wed Mar 12, 08 08:15 AM

Man has a will and that will has a certain freedom. Our LORD clearly teaches that man has a power of choice.

GOD never forces men to act against their wills. By workings of outward providence or of inward grace, the LORD may change men's minds, but He will not coerce a human being into thoughts, words or actions.

>>Does that mean Christianity to you is not peaceful and tolerant religion?

>>bloodshed that has flown because of Christianity?

>>Does Christianity to you creates bloodshed and promoter of wars?

niwadaisuke
XSTREM Tue Mar 11, 08 02:42 PM

Koran 9:111; Those who kill or are killed by unbelievers will return to the garden of Paradise), where they will enjoy many lustful pleasures - sex with virgins, pleasant food and drink, etc.:

Koran 56:15; "They shall recline on jeweled couches face to face, and there shall wait on them immortal youths with bowls and ewers and a cup of purest wine... with fruits of their own choice and flesh of fowls that they relish. And theirs shall be the dark-eyes houris (celestial virgins), chaste as hidden pearls: a guerdon for their deeds."

Koran 56:54, 67-71: "pure beautiful ones... goodly things, beautiful ones, pure ones confined to the pavilions that man has not touched them before..."

Koran 47:4; "Strike off the heads of the disbelievers"; and after making a "wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives"

Koran 8:12; cp. 8:60:"Instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers"; "smite above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them".

Koran 9:73; "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern against them. Their abode is Hell - an evil refuge indeed"

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If you say: "Belief in God will make you a better person", then you also say: "By killing unbelievers will make you a better person." But wait! I thought killing wasn't allowed by anyone else than God?

Also, the Korean does mention Jesus:

Koran 4:171: "The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, was no more than Allah's apostle and His Word which He cast to Mary; a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His apostles and do not say: 'Three.' ...Allah is but one God...."

Koran 5:114"...Then Allah will say: 'Jesus, the son of Mary, did you ever say to mankind: 'Worship me and my mother as gods beside Allah?'"

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niwadaisuke (Niwa) Wed Mar 12, 08 08:29 AM

Well i'm so surprised Islam have that kind of teachings.. I'm so sad as well..

Do their God not passionate for their God allows men to kill and be saved? is it righteous ko kill? is it good to be lustful?

Matthew 5:28 (

But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

I'm Happy my God is not like that.

niwadaisuke
XSTREM Tue Mar 11, 08 02:42 PM

So, then you say: Islam is a murderous belief, and it's wrong. I agree! I am against Islam, because I can not accept that people can't believe in what they want. I'm against Muslims who believe in the Korean 100%, because they see me as an unbeliever, and I know they want to kill me, if they got the opportunity. Are you? If you aren't, then you're accepting the bloodshed.

But if you are, then what about this:

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Matthew 5:43, 45: "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor, and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you in order that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven..."

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So it says that we should love our enemies - even though they want to kill us, because we don't believe in their God? I'm confused.

The Christian belief is in deed more tolerant and bright than Islam. I'm Christian and I like it, because it does not force people to believe in one particular God. But I'm not a catholic; I'm a protestant, because I also believe in the independence from God. God (or whatever Power it is) is there to support us, and "something" will happen when we die. But we're not obligated to follow his commands.

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Are you a Christian by the way? (I can almost guess the answer, but you could be Jewish as well.)

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I'm sorry if I sound a little rough and that I want you to convince you about something - that's not my intentions. I just write my thoughts. ;-)

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Have a good day, and thanks for these interesting discussion we've had!

-XSTREM.

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niwadaisuke (Niwa) Wed Mar 12, 08 09:16 AM

>>Are you?

what do you mean?

i'm not afraid to be killed by them..

Matthew 10:28Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

>>I'm Christian and I like it, because it does not force people to believe in one particular God.

Ans:

it does not force (because we have our freewill) but it teaches to believe in God Almighty.

>>Are you a Christian by the way?

Ans: yes

>>I'm sorry if I sound a little rough and that I want you to convince you about something - that's not my intentions. I just write my thoughts. ;-)

Ans: its not rough its normal because we have our own thought and beliefs.

(Philippians 3:20)

“For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ…”.

Have a nice day too.. I hope to see you again in my future post. Thank you very much..

niwadaisuke
debsha Tue Mar 11, 08 03:33 PM

Until you have actually been in that situation can you honestly hand on heart say you would or wouldnt help that person?? So are you saying that if I had a terminal illness, suffering dearly that I would not have a right to take my own life??

My mother died in front of me 6 years this September. She had an uncurable cancer. She was not a bad person so God (if excists) was making her suffer for what?? She was a carer by profession most of her life. By the end of her time her legs were swollen & weeping, she was in a coma for the last 2 days. If someone is that sick & there is no cure who are we to stop them?

Be well & happy
niwadaisuke (Niwa) Wed Mar 12, 08 09:30 AM

Death is a natural occurrence. Sometimes God allows a person to suffer long before death is realized; other times, the person's suffering is cut short. No one likes to suffer, but that does not make it right for us to determine that a person is ready to die. Often God's purposes are made known through a person's suffering. "In the day of prosperity be happy, but in the day of adversity consider - God has made the one as well as the other so that man may not discover anything that will be after him" (Ecclesiastes 7:14) . Romans 5:3 teaches that tribulations bring about perseverance. God cares about those who are crying out for death to end their suffering. God gives purpose to life even until the end. Only God knows what is best, and His timing even in one's death is perfect.

I truly feel for those who must make these life decisions. It is never easy to tell a doctor to suspend the life support of a loved one. We should never seek to prematurely end a life. My best advice to anyone facing this decision is to pray to God for wisdom (James 1:5) in regards to what He would have you do.

niwadaisuke
monti_84 Tue Mar 11, 08 05:07 PM

I′m sorry to see people who live in a black and white world like you...

"Belief in God will make you a better person, more caring and more considerate to others — and that is the element of a more peaceful society of humans. Unbelief will not make you good, but 100% evil."

What is that? So if someone believes in god...he/she is good and if not he/she is evil...please!! You got another thing comming...life is not black and white...there are many shades of grey. Churches are full of weak and bad people looking for a change becuase they live in extremes...they are not able to moderate their behaviour in an equilibrated manner...either they are good or bad...that is not reality!!

If you want to know bad people go to a church...

And finally, euthanasia is not murder because the person who ask for it is the owner of his/her life and she/he is asking for help to end the suffering...how could you deny the help to a human being in suffering?...

I know this discussion leads to nowhere becuase it won′t change either of us...i just wanted to speak my mind...i hope that your faith never fails on you because the fall from a high moral certainty like yours is long and painful...take care and no hard feelings...

"To define is to limit" Oscar Wilde
niwadaisuke (Niwa) Wed Mar 12, 08 09:52 AM

Finally, let us remember the difference between "sanctity of life" and "quality of life." The Bible teaches us that we must live on, even though our "quality of life" may be poor. Human suffering is not be eradicated by death. We are to live with suffering, and learn from it (Romans 5:3-4; 1 Peter 1:6-9; 2 Corinthians 1:3-11) . The pro-euthanasia advocates, on the other hand, believe that a life has value and should be prolonged only as long as it has some good "quality" to it. According to them, when the "good life" is gone, it's time to die.

The Christian, life does not stop when the "good life" stops; it does not stop when suffering sets it; it stops when God's time for it to stop comes (Job 1:21) . Life must go on, not because of the good or bad of outward circumstances (quality of life), but rather because of its inward value (sanctity of life). Euthanasia, then, is a convenient way to remove suffering. Clarke Forsythe makes a good observation when he says we need more "compassion for life" and less "passion for convenience" (2). The end (relief from suffering) does not justify the means (euthanasia). We don't need more "mercy killing" for the those who suffer, we need more "mercy-service" to help them live with the pain. We need less of Job's wife -- "Curse God and die!" -- and more of Job -- "Shall we indeed accept good from God and not accept adversity?"

Thank you for your thoughts. Have a nice day.

niwadaisuke
gazdoc Wed Mar 12, 08 01:21 AM

If you practice Euthanasia you are not being more merciful than God, because it is foolishness to think that any one can be more merciful than Him. We dont know in what ways He works, and maybe euthanasia is His way of providing someone with a merciful end, it is ok to say that it is a sin, but when you see the suffering of some of these people let alone undergo it, then you will realise that sometimes it is better to be given death than to live a life of suffering, because for some it is like living in Hell or even worse.

Ennnnnnnnjoy
niwadaisuke (Niwa) Wed Mar 12, 08 10:07 AM

>>If you practice Euthanasia you are not being more merciful than God, because it is foolishness to think that any one can be more merciful than Him.

Ans: Then why do you put life on your hands?

The Bible teaches that God is in control of life and death (Gen 1:26-27; 2:7; Rom. 4:17; Job 33:4).

>>We dont know in what ways He works, and maybe euthanasia is His way of providing someone with a merciful end

Ans: God is not favor of euthanasia.

." Ecclesiastes 8:8a declares, "No man has authority to restrain the wind with the wind, or authority over the day of death..." God has the final say over death (see also 1 Corinthians 15:26, 54-56; Hebrews 2:9, 14-15; Revelation 21:4). Euthanasia is man's way of trying to usurp that authority from God.

niwadaisuke
debsha Wed Mar 12, 08 08:02 AM

Ok I was thinking about this last night. 3 weeks before my Mam passed away she turned to me and said " you know, if I was a animal I would of been put down by now". I was upset to hear her say that but it made me think. We as humans treat dying animals with more compassion to their suffering than we do with other humans. Are you saying that is right? Im sorry to go on & everyone has a right to their own oppinion.

Be well & happy
niwadaisuke (Niwa) Wed Mar 12, 08 10:24 AM

" Ecclesiastes 8:8a declares, "No man has authority to restrain the wind with the wind, or authority over the day of death..." God has the final say over death (see also 1 Corinthians 15:26, 54-56; Hebrews 2:9, 14-15; Revelation 21:4). Euthanasia is man's way of trying to usurp that authority from God.

>>Im sorry to go on & everyone has a right to their own oppinion.

Well thats why i posted it on the first place. to have your opinion.

and i'm sorry also because i have different opinion about it. and i'm answering it, the best that i can. have a nice day..

niwadaisuke
debsha Wed Mar 12, 08 11:42 AM

So are you saying that god likes people too suffer that they have to beg him to let their lives end? What kind of god is that? All I see is cruelty as I said before animals are treated better than humans in this, and if god exists he/she knows I love animals...

Be well & happy
niwadaisuke (Niwa) Wed Mar 12, 08 09:08 PM

I'm not saying God likes people suffering. all i know is after death if we are to obey Gods teaching we have reward.

(1 Corinthians 2:9) “But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.”

(Revelation 21:4) “And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.”

People in pain may come to us and speak like the prophet Jonah once spoke: "O Lord, please take my life from me, for death is better to me than life ... Death is better to me than life ... I have good reason to be angry, even unto death" (Jonah 4:3,8,9). When they do, let us not assist them in their death, but let us act like God did with Jonah; care for them, comfort them and communicate with them.

According to Scripture, life in the body is not always the highest value

(to live is Christ but to die is gain - Philippians 1:21).

In fact, the measure of love is that a man lay down his life for his friends

(John 15:13)

. The Christian can even welcome natural death knowing that "death has been swallowed up in victory"

(1 Corinthians 15:54).

Who doesn't look forward to that day when we will see Him "face to face"?

Therefore, in looking at suffering and impending death the Christian should see God's sovereign hand and purpose, as well as the opportunity for ministering to the weak and vulnerable, with whom Christ Himself is identified.

Mateo 10:29Are not two sparrows sold for a penny[d]? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from the will of your Father. 30And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. 31So don't be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows.

niwadaisuke

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